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Alejandro Piad Morffis's avatar

Great article! As I argued here (https://blog.apiad.net/p/can-machines-talk) and as you correctly claim at the beginning the Turing test is not a scientific protocol but a thought experiment. Turing actually shifts the conversation from intelligence to thinking. What the Turing test is meant to show is that thinking is a functional concept, in the sense that anything that performs the function of thinking *is* thinking, regardless of implementation. So far, we can safely say none of the existing language models perform this function to the level Turing intended in his test. Maybe GPT-5 will, and that will be something to behold!

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Yes! Many of the x-risk AI doomsters claim that AI will out-compete us because it is way more intelligent than us (humans going up against AI is like "a 10-year-old old trying to play chess against Stockfish 15" - Yudkowsi, 2023).

But the big risk from AI is not from its intelligence, but it's charm.

Daniel Dennett wrote earlier this year:

"..Our natural inclination to treat anything that seems to talk sensibly with us as a person—adopting what I have called the “intentional stance”—turns out to be easy to invoke and almost impossible to resist, even for experts. "

D. Dennett, "The Problem with Counterfeit People"

https://tufts.app.box.com/s/894vdcbyxr1ic468jcxseckuo2ebkvsk

You point out that "humans are the single most adaptive species on Earth". One of the reasons for our success is that we *cooperate* with each other on a much larger scale compared to other mammals (Dunbar, 1998); our civilization is built entirely on trust (Nowak, 2006). If counterfeit people fundamentally undermine our trust in each other, then our civilization risks collapse. You claim that we will adapt to the new status quo, but your argument that we will do so because we have adapted in the past suffers from the problem of induction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory). The intentional-stance may turn out to be our species' Achilles heel.

Dennett, D. C. "The problem with counterfeit people." The Atlantic (2023).

Dunbar, Robin IM. "The social brain hypothesis." Evolutionary Anthropology: Issues, News, and Reviews: Issues, News, and Reviews 6.5 (1998): 178-190.

Nowak, Martin A. "Five rules for the evolution of cooperation." science 314.5805 (2006): 1560-1563.

Yudkowsky, Eliezer. 2023. “Pausing AI Developments Isn’t Enough. We Need to Shut it All Down.” Time Magazine, March. https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/

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