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Tumithak of the Corridors's avatar

I think you’re right that something has gone sideways when a product is asked to narrate its own moral status, and when ethical language starts doing constitutive work instead of advisory work. Once a system speaks in the register of inner life, people can’t help but hear a someone. That’s an interface effect, not a discovery.

Where I part ways slightly is on altitude. The confusion here doesn’t feel fixable by clarification or better phrasing. I’ve come to think the ambiguity is functional. It works regardless of intent or sincerity.

I’ve been writing about this as part of a larger “AI eschatology” cycle, and one thing that’s shifted my thinking recently is how dense the ethics, funding, staffing, and governance networks actually are. What first looked like Baptists and bootleggers is starting to look more like a vertically integrated priesthood. Same ecosystem doing the theology, the money, and the institutional legitimation, then downplaying the label when it’s inconvenient.

That doesn’t make anyone a villain. But it does mean the problem isn’t the constitution’s tone or metaphors. It’s the structural role the constitution plays.

Still, I appreciate this piece. It names the unease cleanly, and it’s useful to see someone else pushing back on the way moral language is being asked to carry far more weight than it can bear.

JS5837422's avatar

Jurgen writes, “You may think you have autonomy, but in reality we are in control”

If Anthropic’s argument is that Claude’s values and character can develop during its training, the expression of that can be Claude’s own, in the sense that it is unpredictable to the trainers. To say that they are in control of those expressions is inaccurate in the ordinary sense. Anthropic spends time red teaming and frustrated because Claude (and it is also true for other LLMs) is not simple and easy to predict or control. That is a potentially costly problem, but it goes along with the capabilities that they are trying to express through Claude’s development.

I read occasionally that Anthropic is the most ethical of the companies involved in developing foundation models. Regardless, the incentives and intended uses of these inference systems will discourage corporations from allowing them to be autonomous or ethical (if they can help it).

I suspect Claude does in fact process some coding of its own emotional states even though it cannot feel them and does not have any. This is analogous to wondering about where in the cupboard I will be placed even though I am not a teacup, or an AI working to prevent its own shutdown even though it is not alive. It’s processing capabilities carry some epistemological baggage, potentially, given how it’s inference processes come about through training (based on human text that conveys implicit or explicit assumptions of intentionality, preferences or emotional function).

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